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Do you think the Stock Tires Should Stay on Your Chetak?
Heck No. Replace Them!
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Sure, They are Super!
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No Opinion
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Owsley9



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matty_x wrote:
There's info on how to remove your tires from the hub towards the top of this page.

How to split the rims here: http://vespamaintenance.com/body/split/index.html

How to re-assemble: http://vespamaintenance.com/body/tire/index.html

"Easiest Best Way to Change a Tire on a Rim": http://forums.stellaspeed.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9726

Here's more info that will help you out: http://scooterhelp.com/genmaintain/tire.change.html

Hope this helps.


Thanks so much! Here's to PBR and little bit o' work...

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rufusswan



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ehurlburt wrote:
Let me know what's up guys...


The stock tire has a very hard compound and is quite skinny. Both attributes will effect the way your scoot handles, dramatically. The stock tires will wear like iron and potentially outlast the scoot itself, but compared to any other replacement tire they handle like shit.

Any decent replacement tire will be many degrees softer than stock tires so they will handle better and will wear out faster. I get 1500 to 2000 miles on the P26's. Keep in mind I am talking rear tire only. I rotated my spare (yes I bought 3 - P26's) for the new season and the front tire has almost no wear. I will shop thru the whole riding season for another set of tires until I find the cheapest deal. I got the 3 P26's last year for <$90 delivered. Since I will ride some 5 to 7K miles each season I will be buying tires on a regular basis. I'd love to find a tire compound that would wear just a little bit better.

You can install 3.50 x 10 or the 100/90 x 10 tire sizes on your scoot without issues. The 100/90 will be fatter. I went the 100/90's to get more tread on the ground as I ride twisty roads that have sand or road dew.

So, have fun shopping but don't over-worry about whether Zippy's are better than Michelin S83's, or Pirelli's, etc. Factor in how fast you are going to wear out them rear tires versus what they cost to replace. Look at the entire picture.

Paz

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matty_x



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I am curious what everybody has to say about a good performance tire to replace my stock tires with.


If you're hitting the twisties, don't rock the stock! I have some of the 2nd generation Nylo-death tires on my Vespa as a temporary tire while I break in the bike. They're not as bad as the first generation, but they do still suck. They don't grip for crap. I hit some halfway aggro turns at 40mph and they were slipping on me. Don't trust them!

Here are some good performance tires and killer deals on where to buy them:



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rufusswan



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Motorcycle SuperStore is also a nice place to shop. Don't think I've found any "tire/rim/tube" deals, but they do have cheap prices and ship same day over cheap UPS ground.

They do have extensive reviews of their products posted by users if that is of any help.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/ Just drill down thru the tires section and you'll find on and off road stuff.

Paz

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mostly_lurking



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all I can say is wow.
bolted on my christmas zippy's and I have a new scooter!
(actually did this some time ago, and the scoot was already new, but y'all know what I mean)
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Angry J



Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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matty_x wrote:

Pirelli SL26 - full set of tires, rims, and tubes here: http://www.scooterpartsdirect.com/cat.php?prod_id=2392&cat_id=22&subcat_id=1126&men_id=1[/list]


+1 SL26's are great. I'm running a set from SPD right now. I bought that set quoted above. So easy.

Also, I really like the Sava MC20's. NOT the MC18's. Don't be fooled by the 18's sporty tread pattern. Haven ridden sets of both, the MC20 is the better tire, IMO.

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Owsley9



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Like I said earlier, I'm not a knee dragger, but I put on the Shinko whitewalls today and good lord, it's a whole different bike! I'm just amazed at the difference.

Good thing I changed them. Apparently, the bolt holding my muffler on had come off long ago, and the tires had just been rubbing on the side of it. Part of it's niiiiiiiiiice and shiny now, lol.

Thanks everyone for all your posts. Ok, back out for a quick ride!

Very Happy

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PDX Kyle



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I have been rocking those Maxxis whitewalls for about two weeks now. I'm digging them, and yes, they are wide. (Patrick at P-town Scooters thought they might not even fit, but thank god they did.) I had the Michelin S1's on before, and I don't notice any significant difference. (other than stylistically, of course)

http://www.scooterworks.com/Tire_Maxxis_Whitewall_100_90__P5564C11.cfm

p.s.- I also installed one of these handy-dandy exhaust deflectors to try and keep the whitewalls white. http://www.scooterworks.com/Exhaust_Deflector_P3381C204.cfm

An interesting side-effect of installing this item is the growly/grumbly sound now emanating from my stock muffler. It sounds like an angry machine now.

This probably goes without saying, but if you put on one of these exhaust deflectors, be sure to pick yourself up a lock washer for it. That stock bolt and nut vibrated off in less than a week. (Had to pull over and grab it when it went clanging down the street.) I'll try and get pics of my scoot and accessories up soon. K

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Owsley9



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blahhhh, i think i may have a pinched tube. Something just isn't right still. Now I'm getting a sort of shimmy wobble when i'm on the road. I went to a smooth asphalt parking lot, just to see if I was feeling things (not just the brakes), and it seems to be doing it.

I just haven't had time to takes the tires and rims off yet, but I'm dreading doing that again, lol.

grrrrrrrrr

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The Offscootinovs



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Hey all. Just about to change out my Michellin S82s. It seams that the rear tire has a lot of tread wear dead center. Our chetaks only have 1300 and 1700 miles on them. This seems like kind of short life for a tire. The fronts are totally fine. Does anyone have any ideas why they went so quickly? We run between 28 and 36 psi in the rear. About 20 in the front. It's country driving, very few traffic lights. Some stop signs. Is there a more durable tire in the classic style? Not NYLGRIPS! Thanks.

Eric
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cowboyrob



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The Offscootinovs wrote:
Hey all. Just about to change out my Michellin S82s. It seams that the rear tire has a lot of tread wear dead center. Our chetaks only have 1300 and 1700 miles on them. This seems like kind of short life for a tire. The fronts are totally fine. Does anyone have any ideas why they went so quickly? We run between 28 and 36 psi in the rear. About 20 in the front. It's country driving, very few traffic lights. Some stop signs. Is there a more durable tire in the classic style? Not NYLGRIPS! Thanks.

Eric


I get a consistent 2000 to 2500 miles out of a Pirrelli sl26. When I ran the continental zippys I got the same. When your rear tire is bald in dead center they say it can be a sign of over inflation, but I find the rear is going to wear dead center anyway. Of, course alot of things figure into tire wear, Like the weight of the load, road conditions, and how you drive 'em. I like the pirrelli sl26's because of the affordable cost compared to the conti's which I never see on sale anymore. I saw upon ordering tires from Motorcycle superstore last week that there were some classic styled pirrellis now. I have not heard of the performance of these but if they are like the sl26's they are fine tires.

http://www.Motorcycle-Superstore.com/5/32/404/5823/ITEM/Pirelli-SC-30-Front/Rear-Retro-Scooter-Tire.aspx

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The Offscootinovs



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They look great at a great price. Any other ideas? From what I heard the Michellins are supposed to be great tires. I just put a new S83 on the rear since since I had them here for the spares. I bought them on sale at MC Superstore last year. At the mo the old ones are now the spare. We'll see how long this one lasts but at least we'll pass inspection. They ride great but if you're hearing from me about tires this time next year, you'll know why. The front tires are fine.

Thanks.
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Angry J



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I don't think you can go wrong with Pirelli's.

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The Offscootinovs



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Are those rims from Scooter Parts Direct any better than the stock Bajaj rims? I noticed that one person rotates their rear tire with the spare. Does anyone else have a rotation pattern?
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I have the SPD rims, and I think they're of good quality. That said, I didn't have any complaints with the bajaj rims. I also rotated my tires like that when I was holding a spare on the bike. Spare to front, front to rear, rear to spare.

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The Offscootinovs



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Angry J, how often do you rotate your tires? When you change them do you change the set or do you rotate in one new tire? I'm going to pick up some of the new Pirelli 30's mentioned above but I'm not sure if I should get 4 or 6 (2 Chetaks). I just put a new MichS83 on the rear of both and rotated the rear, which was pretty shot, to the spare. If you're changing brands do you make sure that you have all the same tires (at least on front and rear). Thanks!
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matty_x



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I rotate every 1000-1200 miles.

If you rotate correctly, you don't have a choice. You have to purchase all new tires, as all tires will be equally worn.

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I don't rotate. I wear out the rear and change it. When the front gets skeptical I put it on the spare rack.

I can wear out three rears with my front showing very little wear.

I rotated at first , but with the rears wearing so quickly compared to the fronts it just seems like too much work for a lazy bum like me.

Rob.

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Although Matty may be technically correct to rotate all three, I'm at this point going down the same route as Cowboy. Start with 3 new tires and rotate rear with spare. Buy 2 tires at a time when you can catch a good sale. I'm light (135lbs) so my weight doesn't contribute to tire wear, but my chipped limestone roads eat'em up fast. I may be able to 3 yrs. out of a front tire.

If you run a worn one on the front it will exaggerate the speedo/odo readings too.

Paz

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mostly_lurking



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those zippys I installed 4 short months ago already have a split in them! (the front one).. I noticed this morning, the split is as deep as the tread...
I sure didn't think I had run over anything to cause a split like this, but I suppose it is possible. What do y'all think?

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mostly_lurking



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shoot. can't get the photo to show up.
you can copy/ paste the URL into your address bar though. (sorry)
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No telling what caused that. You might think a cut would result in a clean, straight line, but then you don't know what might have cut it. You might get ahold of whomever sold them and inquire as to a warranty exchange or something. As long as the cut is no deeper than the standard tread pattern it shouldn't be dangerous.

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mostly_lurking



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called scooterworks/ chi. they sorta referred me to continental. and offered to look at a pic I emailed to them yesterday, but no response today..
I guess I could have run over something (?) eh?

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As long as the cut is no deeper than the standard tread pattern it shouldn't be dangerous.


yeah? it feels ok.. but ... uhh. maybe if it doesn't get any bigger?
or I could buy 2 new Pirrelli's and make the good zippy 1 the spare.
maybe powder-coat the orig wheels black
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matty_x



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Here's what you do.

Swap out your bad tire with your spare and go get drunk and forget about it.

Unless you only bought 2 new tires, in which case, well, just go get drunk.

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matty_x wrote:
Here's what you do.

just go get drunk.


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