To Pipe or Not to Pipe?

Many people have differing opinions about this issue - I would like to get are the hard facts. What are all the Pro's Con's
Some people say there is no permormance increase from a pipe because of the way scooters are limited. Others say there are performance benifits..

I undestand that the top end may not be effected but I am more concerned with power and sound - would it be good??

Is the POC just too loud - I don't mind loud - but I dont want crazy loud.

Is Big AL's pipe better? Sound better?

Please everyone with a pipe please Chime it.....let us know whats up!!

In the case of the Bajaj, pipes are not for me. I like the quiet smooth power she already has and I also like the friendly image my Bajaj emits. (makes a good cover for the Devil I really am.) I have a Exclamation

LOUD

2 t with a pipe so when I want to go play annoying loud scooterboy I just hop on it.

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It was just an innocent gas pump fight...who would know it could be dangerous?

I agree with Dan, I like the quieter, image-friendly side of scootering. I'm also a fan of the great-gas-mileage-lower-polluting aspect of these scooters. Don't you have to re-jet and use more gas when you add the HRS/POC pipe?

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Monica

	mc wrote:
	Don't you have to re-jet and use more gas when you add the HRS/POC pipe?

Oddly enough, with the POC you down jet (which is contrary to normal tuning technique). The guys I have talked to see no degredation of MPG with it Rolling Eyes

Anyway, Im all for "loud pipes save lives". It does work to get the attention of those loosers in their SUV on the phone Wink

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-Paul O.

75 Vespa Primavera "Parmakit 130", P200E,

I have the POC 1 and it really is obnoxiously loud. I mean REALLY loud. But, I'm used to it. And when you're just cruising through neighborhoods it's not a real loud snapping sound, it's just a low rumble, not really bad at all. But WOT on the open road, well I know it's obnoxious to be on my left. Embarassed

But being able to scare the shit out of soccer moms in their Hummers, and being able to go faster makes it worth it to me. Very Happy

My bike was cruising at over 60 today.

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As much as I would like to have a little more power I can not stand a loud exhaust. I must be getting old Laughing

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Mike
2002 Chetak

	Angry J wrote:
	I have the POC 1 and it really is obnoxiously loud. I mean REALLY loud.

Hahaha that's a fantastic way to describe it. Out of curiosity, do you know how loud it is in decibels? A friend of mine recently upgraded his Ducati's pipe to a non-street-legal something-or-other and it freakin' rattles my nerves when he revs it at stops. I think he said it's 115 dB.

But your description is what I heard from a fellow Bajaj owner whose POC I came with the bike. He took it off because it's so loud. If anyone's looking to buy one, I think he's interested in selling it.

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mc wrote:

	Angry J wrote:
	I have the POC 1 and it really is obnoxiously loud. I mean REALLY loud.

Hahaha that's a fantastic way to describe it. Out of curiosity, do you know how loud it is in decibels? A friend of mine recently upgraded his Ducati's pipe to a non-street-legal something-or-other and it freakin' rattles my nerves when he revs it at stops. I think he said it's 115 dB.

But your description is what I heard from a fellow Bajaj owner whose POC I came with the bike. He took it off because it's so loud. If anyone's looking to buy one, I think he's interested in selling it.

I don't really know, but I think I'll be finding out this weekend. I'm not really a fan of it being as loud as it is, but I want to go faster, so it's kind of a trade-off.

I know someone who's looking for one. If you'll PM me your friend's information, I'll forward it along to him.

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	Angry J wrote:
	I don't really know, but I think I'll be finding out this weekend.

Is there going to be a db meter at the Rally this weekend with a loudest scooter competition? Wink

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It was just an innocent gas pump fight...who would know it could be dangerous?

	cowboyrob wrote:
	Is there going to be a db meter at the Rally this weekend with a loudest scooter competition?

Actually, YES, we will have a dB meter at the rally...Im borrowing one from work... Razz

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-Paul O.

75 Vespa Primavera "Parmakit 130", P200E,

In my experience, without additional mods, the POC pipe will not get you a significant increase in power, althought I love the roudy sound it makes. It makes me want to get into trouble. That being said, if you pull up next to a big cruiser with anything but stock pipes the difference is about the same as the diference between a stock Bajaj and one with a pipe. The POC definately get's lots of confused looks from people but only because it its on a scooter which most people assume is a vespa, if the sound was coming from another bike, like say a mid 60's triumph (what the designers of the POC were going for), no one would think anything special of the sound.

I have stayed with the stock set-up because the price compaired to even the most optimistic reports of power increses, 3-4 mph, plus the increased fuel use and decreased reliability doesn't seem worth all the trouble.

You forgot about the part where if you ride your dad's Chetak with the loud pipe you need to ride remembering that the loud pipes do not improve braking ability. I was looking at my Chetak the other day, and my front fender is still bent from you smacking into the bumper of that guy in San Francisco. I bet you were riding fast because of my "loud pipe." The placebo effect of the loud pipe does have some people riding faster...simply because they twist their wrists more to enjoy the sound. I am going to have to pull the POC pipe and go back to stock when summer ends. We will be stashing one Chetak at the at your baby sisters daycare. I will drive the car to the daycare with the baby, drop of your sister, and take the Chetak the 20 miles to work. After work, you mom will go to daycare on her Chetak, pick up the baby, leave the Chetak for me and drive the car home. That way we both get to ride scooters every day, minimize mileage on the car, and get the best fuel mileage possible for both our commutes. The only problem is that every day the bike left at Betty's childcare will switch...my Chetak one day, your mom's Chetak the next day. Your mom doesn't like the sound of the POC pipe, so I will switch exhaust. She also needs to learn to use the center stand. She only uses the sidestand on her Chetak, and I don't have a sidestand.
Ride safe,
Dave (Dad of Munkeyjump...lol)

munkeyjump wrote:

In my experience, without additional mods, the POC pipe will not get you a significant increase in power, althought I love the roudy sound it makes. It makes me want to get into trouble. That being said, if you pull up next to a big cruiser with anything but stock pipes the difference is about the same as the diference between a stock Bajaj and one with a pipe. The POC definately get's lots of confused looks from people but only because it its on a scooter which most people assume is a vespa, if the sound was coming from another bike, like say a mid 60's triumph (what the designers of the POC were going for), no one would think anything special of the sound.

I have stayed with the stock set-up because the price compaired to even the most optimistic reports of power increses, 3-4 mph, plus the increased fuel use and decreased reliability doesn't seem worth all the trouble.

	dwestmodesto wrote:
	You forgot about the part where if you ride your dad's Chetak with the loud pipe you need to ride remembering that the loud pipes do not improve braking ability. I was looking at my Chetak the other day, and my front fender is still bent from you smacking into the bumper of that guy in San Francisco. I bet you were riding fast because of my "loud pipe."

BUSTED BY YOUR DAD Laughing

Just bustin' your chops monkeyjump! Very Happy

The plan with the scooters and the babysitter is cool. Nice to see someone who is ceative enough to think outside the box to get what they need!

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It was just an innocent gas pump fight...who would know it could be dangerous?

Thanks for the comment. Munkeyjump is our oldest. His scooter was acquired as a wreck on craigslist. After getting it going, he has put more miles on his scooter than mine and my wifes combined. My scooter has to compete with my BMW...heated grips and fuel injection are nice...lol. I need to get my 24mm carb dialed in. Hopefully it will give me a little power boost. The POC needs a smaller than stock jet. The combination of the POC and a bigger carb needs a much smaller jet.
Ride safe,
Dave

cowboyrob wrote:

	dwestmodesto wrote:
	You forgot about the part where if you ride your dad's Chetak with the loud pipe you need to ride remembering that the loud pipes do not improve braking ability. I was looking at my Chetak the other day, and my front fender is still bent from you smacking into the bumper of that guy in San Francisco. I bet you were riding fast because of my "loud pipe."

BUSTED BY YOUR DAD Laughing

Just bustin' your chops monkeyjump! Very Happy

The plan with the scooters and the babysitter is cool. Nice to see someone who is ceative enough to think outside the box to get what they need!

cowboyrob wrote:

	dwestmodesto wrote:
	You forgot about the part where if you ride your dad's Chetak with the loud pipe you need to ride remembering that the loud pipes do not improve braking ability. I was looking at my Chetak the other day, and my front fender is still bent from you smacking into the bumper of that guy in San Francisco. I bet you were riding fast because of my "loud pipe."

BUSTED BY YOUR DAD Laughing

Ouch, I didn't know you made it on here dad, anyway I SWEAR I was being good that time, now that you've outed me I'm not sure I can recover with an explanation though. Embarassed

	dwestmodesto wrote:
	and my front fender is still bent from you smacking into the bumper of that guy in San Francisco.

I think the more time goes by the worse that fender gets Confused

but i guess that's the way it works when you bump someone with a scooter that's not yours!

Don't feel to bad, your brother let his foot off the clutch while getting a jumpstart while borrowing my truck. He hit an Infinity SUV. The bumper is more than $1000. He said it only made a little mark on the bumper. If kids can't crash their parent's vehicles, what is family for.

munkeyjump wrote:

	dwestmodesto wrote:
	and my front fender is still bent from you smacking into the bumper of that guy in San Francisco.

I think the more time goes by the worse that fender gets Confused

but i guess that's the way it works when you bump someone with a scooter that's not yours!

	Angry J wrote:
	I have the POC 1 and it really is obnoxiously loud. I mean REALLY loud.

Hello Angry J,

I sent you a PM about that obnoxiously loud pipe. Did I mention that it is really loud? But to each, his own...

Not to get a controversy going from my first post here but...

Peeps only really hear a loud pipe as it passes and goes away. "Save(ing) lives" requires Soccer Mom hearing you WAY before you get to the bumper of that SUV.

A second senario for the pipes is when you are on a multi-lane road. A car pulls next to you, forgets you are there and then changes into your lane, or decides to turn onto a side street through your lane. The louder pipe helps in both of these situations. I have had both situations occur many times while riding. It occurs much more often when riding my quiet bikes than when riding on my noisy bikes. On the cliffs of BigSur I had a car come around a corner on my side of the road. I didn't have time to brake, and very little room to steer away, but reving the throttle sent the moron back into his lane quickly. On my cruiser I have HardKrome Straights, they came with the bike when I bought it. My pipes are much much louder than my horn, and have a better response from oncoming vehicles. Pulling the clutch and reving to 6000 rpm is much louder than the nromal sound while riding, but does get peoples attention both going your direction, and coming toward you. I actually am replacing them with "quieter" pipes for the sake of my hearing. The Chetak with POC1 is much quieter than the cruiser, and doesn't bother me while riding. I have been told it isn't much fun to ride behind though, so if riding with a friend, I will let them ride in front.
Dave

Bespa wrote:

	Angry J wrote:
	I have the POC 1 and it really is obnoxiously loud. I mean REALLY loud.

Hello Angry J,

I sent you a PM about that obnoxiously loud pipe. Did I mention that it is really loud? But to each, his own...

Not to get a controversy going from my first post here but...

Peeps only really hear a loud pipe as it passes and goes away. "Save(ing) lives" requires Soccer Mom hearing you WAY before you get to the bumper of that SUV.

	Bespa wrote:
	Peeps only really hear a loud pipe as it passes and goes away. "Save(ing) lives" requires Soccer Mom hearing you WAY before you get to the bumper of that SUV.

While I dont have a POC on the Chetak yet, my other scooter has an obnoxiously loud pipe (it is a 70cc 2-stroke on steroids). Since adding the pipe a year and a half ago I havent had anyone just wander into my lane. I truely believe they are more aware of me because of that loud buzz.

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-Paul O.

75 Vespa Primavera "Parmakit 130", P200E,

Bespa wrote:

	Angry J wrote:
	I have the POC 1 and it really is obnoxiously loud. I mean REALLY loud.

Hello Angry J,

I sent you a PM about that obnoxiously loud pipe. Did I mention that it is really loud? But to each, his own...

Not to get a controversy going from my first post here but...

Peeps only really hear a loud pipe as it passes and goes away. "Save(ing) lives" requires Soccer Mom hearing you WAY before you get to the bumper of that SUV.

Thanks, but I didn't get the PM. Would you mind sending it again?

Nope, saving lives happens when a soccer mom with 3 screaming rugrats in the back, talking on her phone, drinking coffee, pulls right into me from the left lane to the right on westbound 95th St. in Overland Park, KS. Pulling in the clutch and revving the bike up scared the shit out of her and she jerked it back into her lane.

That scenario has played itself out for me many times. Most recently, last Sunday coming home from the grocery store just a few blocks from home when an old retiree did the exact same thing. I was right next to him, when he just meanders over into my lane. A quick twist of the wrist, and he looked over and jerked it back into his.

I'm not really following what you said about people only hearing a loud pipe as it passes and goes away. Have we never heard a train coming? Or a loud Harley? We hear things as they are coming at us too, not just right next to us and then going away.

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	Pulling in the clutch and revving the bike up scared the shit out of her and she jerked it back into her lane.

a good swift kick on their door as they come into your lane works good too Wink

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-Paul O.

75 Vespa Primavera "Parmakit 130", P200E,

You have a point there. Embarassed

Your scenario is the reason I want to put a BF-truck horn on my Chetak. To scare some sense into these idiots who insist on "multi-tasking" while driving their kids to school. (Sorry if I (we) seem to be picking on Soccer Moms, but here in WI they ARE the biggest road hazard out there.)

But I'm still giving up the POC pipe for my own health and well-being. Scootering with all that noise, all the time, in too stressful to be fun.

monza wrote:

	cowboyrob wrote:
	Is there going to be a db meter at the Rally this weekend with a loudest scooter competition?

Actually, YES, we will have a dB meter at the rally...Im borrowing one from work... Razz

Neat, will you post some stats? I like stats.

Edit: ...and pictures too (obviously) Cool

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I'm sure there will be plenty of both after this weekend!

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