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HiHoSilVeR



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Post What Riding Tricks and Tips Work for You? Reply with quote
Don't know if it's been done yet, but why don't we post little tricks and tips that work while riding our scooters.

For instance, I'll give one that someone on this board shared with me. When taking off from a stopped
position at a light or stop sign, rolling forward in neutral just before shifting into first seems to help get
it in gear smoothly (I had been having difficulty getting it in gear at traffic lights, which caused impatient
automobile drivers behind me.) Ever since that bit of advice, I've been getting right into gear just about
every time. Sometimes my shifter gets weird and this usually works.

Alright. Now it's your turn. Tell us a trick or a tip that works for you while riding; it could be anything from
turning and maneuvering to riding in heavy traffic, parking lots, you name it!
Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:47 am View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Bailywolf



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I goose the throttle before shifting from a stop, and it's like butter with the extra spin.

Other tricks... I watch the traffic ahead of me, and try and see how long I can go without using my breaks as a way of practicing my down-shifting.

-B
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HiHoSilVeR



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I goose the throttle before shifting from a stop


Does that mean you give it a little gas while still in neutral, just before rolling it into first gear?
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ehurlburt



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It took me a little bit of time to really get to know my clutch and really learn to feather it from a stop. For me blipping the throttle in neutral just caused me to stall ever more embarrassingly and violently so I stopped doing that pretty fast. What worked best for me is whenever I was in doubt starting from a stop was to just feather the crap out of that thing and really slowly roll the throttle so you can really feel it engage. It took me about a week of messing with it before I really got a feel for where my engine starts to engage. The only time I've stalled in a few months now is when I locked my brakes, scared the shit out of me and when I let of my brakes I also let off the clutch. But hey, thats a whole 'nother issue.
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HiHoSilVeR



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ehurlburt wrote:
The only time I've stalled in a few months now is when I locked my brakes, scared the shit out of me and when I let of my brakes I also let off the clutch. But hey, thats a whole 'nother issue.


Woah! Sounds freaky. How do the brakes get locked up? That appeared on the motorcycle test at the DMV, but I'm not sure exactly how it happens.
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Bailywolf



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HiHoSilVeR wrote:
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I goose the throttle before shifting from a stop


Does that mean you give it a little gas while still in neutral, just before rolling it into first gear?


Yup.

I got in the habit of doing it when my idle was really rough (bad plug), and when I got a new plug, I kept doing it because it seemed to improve my shifting.

I don't hold the clutch if I'm going to come to a full stop, I just flip it into neutral.

-B
Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:55 pm View user's profile Send private message
ehurlburt



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HiHoSilVeR wrote:
ehurlburt wrote:
The only time I've stalled in a few months now is when I locked my brakes, scared the shit out of me and when I let of my brakes I also let off the clutch. But hey, thats a whole 'nother issue.


Woah! Sounds freaky. How do the brakes get locked up? That appeared on the motorcycle test at the DMV, but I'm not sure exactly how it happens.


Haha, yeah it's not the most fun, but it also made me a little more comfortable on my scoot. What I mean is that I now know that when stuff happens it is not necessarily a panicked moment and that you can indeed still think and react. As far as I know the easiest way to lock up the drums is to pull on either break too quickly and hard(now I know why the manual says squeeze do not pull) and you will leave a nice skid mark on the pavement and hopefully nowhere else. Shocked All you gotta do is release the locked break (which in my case was both) and keep the bike straight and you are good and also mind the clutch so you don't end up having to restart your bike in front of the already impatient cars. Definitely a more embarrassing scooter moment being passed by an enraged Prius(my electric start is finicky so I just kick it 90% of the time)
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PDX Kyle



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I've noticed for me, when I have trouble getting it into gear at a stop, if I release and pull in the clutch again it tends to engage better than revving or rolling forward. Of course, I've only had this thing about 8 weeks, so I'll keep you posted.

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cowboyrob



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PDX Kyle wrote:
I've noticed for me, when I have trouble getting it into gear at a stop, if I release and pull in the clutch again it tends to engage better than revving or rolling forward. Of course, I've only had this thing about 8 weeks, so I'll keep you posted.


I find that tip right on target from my experience Kyle.

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average joe



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I let the clutch out when I want to go, and I pull the clutch in when I want to stop.
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HiHoSilVeR



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Lately, I've been experiencing some difficulty in getting my bike onto its double kickstand. I don't know why, but it seems
that the bike has become a lot heavier in the past couple months. It's not the chrome stuff either, because I never had this
kind of trouble before. Do any of you find it easier to get it on the stand while standing beside it? Also, that darn cowl guard always gets me in the left calf and the shifter sometimes gets pulled into first gear. This stuff never happened before!
Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:33 am View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
mpa5858



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I always put my bike on the center stand by standing on the left side of it & using the natural leverage that that position affords me. I don't think I've ever even tried to put it on the center stand while straddling it. Of course, I'm short (5'7"), which probably makes it a bit harder to do while still on it.

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HiHoSilVeR



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mpa5858 wrote:
I always put my bike on the center stand by standing on the left side of it & using the natural leverage that that position affords me. I don't think I've ever even tried to put it on the center stand while straddling it. Of course, I'm short (5'7"), which probably makes it a bit harder to do while still on it.


Okay, then I'll give it a shot. Thanks! I tried doing it standing on the right side of it, but almost tipped it over. I'm left handed anyways.
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mpa5858



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If you're not used to doing it while standing next to it, do be careful that you don't let it lean away from you--it will tip over quite easily since the engine-side of the bike will be on the far side from you. It's virtually a non-issue for me now, but when I first got it I had a couple close calls. Wink
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HiHoSilVeR



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mpa5858 wrote:
If you're not used to doing it while standing next to it, do be careful that you don't let it lean away from you--it will tip over quite easily since the engine-side of the bike will be on the far side from you. It's virtually a non-issue for me now, but when I first got it I had a couple close calls. Wink
-m


mpa,
Awesome! I'm getting it on the stand a heck of a lot easier now. Thanks. Come to think of it, my dealer did show me how to do this when I first bought it, but I didn't try it again after it almost tipped over once. Now, the only problem that remains is, no matter if I stand or sit and pull it back onto the stand, the left handlebar shift selector always seems to end up moving into first gear. Now, it's looser than it was before, and sometimes, if I don't notice it's in first and try to kick start it, the darn thing obviously won't start in first. Do you think the shifter is being pulled loose when I'm pulling it back onto the kickstand?
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beetle94707



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When I first got my Chetak I was shown by the seller how to easily rock it on to and off of the center stand by standing next to it. The first time I tried to put it on the stand I almost dropped it. Then I just put it on the stand straddling it. I would have to heave it a bit for sure. I decided not long ago to try putting it on the stand by standing on the left side and rocking it back. I put my left hand on the left handle bar, and my right on the left side grab bar. It actually does pretty easily just rock back on to the stand. Not much heaving is needed at all. I still haven't found the easy rocking motion that gets it off the stand, and usually to get it off the stand I straddle the scooter, put it in first and ride it off the stand. At 5'11" I suppose I'm tall enough that I can keep my feet on the ground while I do this.

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Gammason



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When going into a sharp or gentle curve at speed, try pushing your inside hand into the turn. The bike will naturally lean in that direction. For example, you're going 50 into a left-hand corner. Push forward with your left hand a bit and see what happens. It's very cool. I live along the central coast of Oregon and there are a lot of curves in the road.

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Getting it on the center stand, Stand on the left hand side of the bike, as you push the stand down with your foot on the little peg, continue to stand on that peg and it will lift your bike onto the stand. If you need a little more umph try grabbing the very front of your seat and pulling back as you lift (while still standing on the little foot peg).

Counter stearing is what Gammason is talking about and it is used to get your bike to lean into the corner, it is the same for any 2 wheeled contraption from bicycle to the biggest cruiser out there. Things to note, he said a bit, other terms... slightly... gently... softly and as you are going into the corner.

Other things, If you are starting a group ride , go over basic rules on (especially for the noobs) how to ride as a group.

Give your self enough room, doing a front wheel stand on a scoot is really cool to say that you have done it but scared the crap out of me because I had to.

Just because it's not the law (in some states) doesn't mean a helmet is not a good idea.

Double check what your state laws are about needing a motorcycle endorsement for your license, Some shops will give you wrong info to make a sale. In GA it was only required over 50cc, in OK if it needs a plate, you need a motorcycle endorsement. I'm sure other states have different laws. (If someone hits your scoot and the other guy's insurance finds out you don't have a license, do you think they are going to pay?)

Use synthetic oil, ( I like Mobil 1 )

Don't be afraid to use your horn if you even just think someone didn't see you.

If someone flips you off.. ignore them, at worst smile and wave (all fingers not just one) Very Happy

avoid super cheap gas... it's the additives that will keep you carb clean (if they could only make a fuel additive that would dissolve paint chips) Isn't it worth 10ยข a tank.

Own the lane, ride in the center or at least the tire grove of the lane, some folks think weird things like: I can share the lane with this guy on the scooter; he is on a scooter so I NEED to pass him even though we are in stop and go traffic: If I gun around him I can make that right hand turn and get home 0.03 seconds faster.....

Lane splitting, most states don't allow it and most streets aren't wide enough to do it. Unless it is legal, it is a really bad idea (I got to watch a crotch rocket nail a car in ATL while he was doing it (not legal in GA), he was thrown over the car and the bike was a mess)

Get comfortable with your bike and your ability to ride it before you start taking people for rides, good advice even for experienced riders on a new bike.

one more thing, keep the wheels on the bottom Smile

Have Fun
Dirk
Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:09 pm
rufusswan



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Gammason: "into a left-hand corner. Push forward with your left hand a bit "
dirkhunt:"Counter steering is what Gammason is talking about and it is used to get your bike to lean into the corner"

Gente,

PUSHING FORWARD on the handle bar will 'force' a two-wheeled contraption to lean, and is proper if you intend to lay the scoot down or to dirt-track your way thru a turn.

PUSHING DOWN on the handle bar will 'gently initiate' a two-wheeled contraption to lean, and is the proper maneuver for turning.

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Matt G



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When riding with a passenger and stopping on a hill: always lean more to the left than you think you have to. Otherwise a little bit of weight shift by the passenger (even if you've told them not to) could make you lose your balance and put your right foot down.

Why is this a big deal? Because the front brake alone isn't strong enough to hold two people and the scooter. So you'll roll backwards (accelerating quickly) and be unable to stop. Because your right foot is on the ground keeping you from falling over, you won't be able to move it to the brake pedal.

Yes, I have learned this the hard way.
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cowboydoug



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average joe wrote:
I let the clutch out when I want to go, and I pull the clutch in when I want to stop.



I just love good humor... Laughing

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HiHoSilVeR wrote:
Lately, I've been experiencing some difficulty in getting my bike onto its double kickstand. I don't know why, but it seems
that the bike has become a lot heavier in the past couple months. It's not the chrome stuff either, because I never had this
kind of trouble before. Do any of you find it easier to get it on the stand while standing beside it? Also, that darn cowl guard always gets me in the left calf and the shifter sometimes gets pulled into first gear. This stuff never happened before!


Silver... I am trying to figure out what the heck you were doing ...
I don't know any other way to get your scoot on the center stand other than to stand to the side of it.
Were you sitting on the scoot and putting it up on the center stand?...I am just curious

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xwingkiller



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hey there.
im looking for a couple of tips and tricks.

i just picked up an '02 Bajaj Chetak.

is there any type of tip or trick to mastering the downshift? how do i know im doing it right or wrong? i live in a city with very large and fast streets. so i am constantly hitting stoplights where i have to slow down from 45-50mph.

another thing i was wondering.....what is the essential set of tools i should be carrying at all times?


ps. great board you all have going here. tons of really great info to be found.
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rufusswan



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xwingkiller wrote:
...what is the essential set of tools i should be carrying at all times?
If you're saying "the minimal tools required just to get you by" it is a great question as they can easily be carried in the cowl box and/or the glove box. Here is what I would list as IF I don't carry them THEN that is always the day I need them:

a) that 6mm hex key to tighten the mirrors Evil or Very Mad
b) the stock tool kit to swap a plug (and obviously a new plug)
c) one of those multi-point screwdrivers as the scoot if full of screws
d) 10mm wrench
e) 8mm wrench I think is the one that holds the crash bars to the floorboard
f) a small Crescent for all other bolt heads
g) some sort of knife blade for stripping electrical connections.
h) 6" of some kind of tape to keep a hot lead from shorting out

The stock tool kit covers many of the above. Maybe it's not 'shop grade' tools but they do work. A tiny multi-tool covers many of the above also.

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Crusader Tom



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now this trick/tip only works if you have size 10 1/2 or larger* feet...

as a lean into turns i turn the appropriate foot side ways into the turn. and when the tip of my foot hits the pavement i know i'm leaning enough, and not too far... i know it sounds nuts, but it works...


* if your foot is smaller than that then you'll lean way too far!

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