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msimmons



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I'm hoping to buy a Chetak soon and was wondering what you need in order to complete a sale of a used scooter from a private party (non-dealer).

What arrangements need to be made in regards to transfer of ca$h, title, registration?

What do I look out for and how should I judge the scooter before I buy?

How do I determine the value of the scooter?

Would you ride a newly purchased used scoot home or plan to hire a van/trailer?

The scoot I'm interested in is about 2 hours from my home so If I drive out to see it I'd like to be prepared. It is a 2002 Chetak with under 1000 miles on it.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks!
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kick the tires...

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msimmons



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Ha! I'll give it a good look over and a test ride... would've done that today but it's POURING!!! (no scooter time for me this weekend)
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Crusader Tom



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seriously though... a good test ride is the best way to "feel it out"...
if not the original paint, a magnet might be a good idea...
if a a mirror is missing or a lever is a replacement, that usually is a sign of being dropped/wrecked...
make sure the wear on the tires reflect the millage... worn out tread on a bike with under a hundred miles?
think of those type of things to ask too.

good luck!

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rufusswan



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Two hours away is not too far to go to prove you don't want the scoot. Not being negative, but that is reasonable close enough that you shouldn't feel pressured to buy on the spot.

Like Tom said, test things out, tires..brakes..clutch..lights.. check stuff on the scoot and the seller too.

And we might give better advice I've you know the year and mileage, and what the seller has already said.

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msimmons



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The first one I'm looking at is a 2002 with about 850 miles on it. In the pics it looks babied, like a short distance commuter. The price is high but the owner says it's negotiable and I think is motivated to sell. It's listed here:
http://harrisburg.craigslist.org/mcy/855812948.html
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first his price is way high 2000 is high but ok for a like new scoot, but being an 02 i would check what upgrades the scooter has had was the regulator upgraded, was the clutch upgraded. if not these things may cost you down the road, for that kind of money I would look for an 03 or newer. by the way a bajaj has never gone for 4000 and in 02 retailed for 1995.00
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msimmons



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Okay, good to know. I thought they retailed for $3k and figured the dealer got another $500 in prep/tax/transport and the owner picked up $500 in accessories. I come from a Vespa background where prep costs and accessory prices are high. The owner was very clear that the price is negotiable and expressed concern about the possibility of sale now that the riding season is coming to a close here in PA. That's why I think the scoot will sell at a reasonable price.

The scoot hasn't been regularly ridden since last March but has been started and run weekly and I'm told it starts right up. I have some concerns about it's sitting idle though and wonder if it would be risky to try and ride it home (about 100 miles) if I can get a fair price on it. Is the carb likely to need a cleaning?

At the scoots current mileage and given the production year, what upgrades are considered necessary?
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rufusswan



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As I understand, there were a few warranty upgrades on some early scoots, but it's possible that the dealer could have made them before the scoot was sold.

One thing to check is the rear hub. Get the rear wheel off the ground and shake it, you can feel if the hub is loose. If loose you could stop anywhere with an air gun and have it snugged up. 24mm socket might be handy to take. I would also take a spare plug.

Gas stays real stable in warm weather, I wouldn't hesitate to ride it home. I wouldn't try to burn up the road as it's still being broken in. And you'll obviously ride out with someone, so take a can of gas and have them ride escort on the way back.

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msimmons



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Good suggestions, thanks!

Regarding bringing a gas can along... Do Bajaj have an overfill problem the way Vespas do? How reliable is the gas gauge?

For those who've bought a second hand scoot... will the title transfer need to be notarized?
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msimmons wrote:
Good suggestions, thanks!

Regarding bringing a gas can along... Do Bajaj have an overfill problem the way Vespas do? How reliable is the gas gauge?

For those who've bought a second hand scoot... will the title transfer need to be notarized?


my Bajaj has a super accurate gas gauge... and a very small tank! i do get at least 85mtg... which makes up for the small tank, but i keep my well tuned... as far as title transfer. each state varies...

i also think $4000 is way freaken' steep. only because you find them cheaper... but i think the Bajaj is worth twice that in reliability... i'm a "wrencher" when it comes to scooters so i usually look for a scooter that has most of its part in a box... i'm not used to "buying and riding home"... i'd be wary of a hundred mile ride on an "unknown" scoot...

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I bought an '02 with just under 7k miles on it with the regulator and flywheel rivet upgrades, crash bars, rear rack and chrome mirrors used in '06 for $1800. It had gone down once but no structural damage and only a few marks, leg shield bent and re-painted.. I'm at 16k now and happy as a lark. As for what to offer, you'll have to consider how badly you want it, and balance that with what else is available. When I was buying I was looking in the $1,500 range and he was asking $2,300. I could have gotten a new one out the door (no accessories) for around $3,000 at the time, so it took coming down to $1,800 for me to consider it seriously. Me, now? I'd offer $1,800 and given the current supply problem I'd probably be willing to pay $2,200 if the owner drives a hard bargain. But that's me, and I already know how much I love my scoot, and that I wouldn't trade it for anything else as my daily commuter vehicle.

By the way, you live 2 hours north or 2 hours south of Harrisburg? I live in the DC area -- could it be possible that I'll be having a fellow Bajaj rider in the area? And a fraternal twin scoot, at that?

Good luck!
SC

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msimmons



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Tom, Just be clear, the asking price is $2500, the seller says that $4k was paid originally for the scoot. The thought of me trying to build a scoot from a box of parts is my wife's worst nightmare. When she has says to me "you're not putting that in the living room", I listen... she gives me plenty of leeway and I know that a restore would take me FOREVER (if I ever figured it out). Unfortunately, I'm the kind of mechanic who ends up with extra parts left over... not good.

SC, I'm about 2 hours east of the scoot, near Valley Forge Park outside of Philly. And yeah... love that color... it's like buttahhhh! There's a young guy who works at Home Depot that has a red Bajaj that I see all the time on the road. If he posts here maybe he'll see this. If that's the case we'll have a Chetak Triumvirate...

I've had a few conversations with the seller and will be seeing the scoot up close very soon so I'll know a lot more shortly. If it's in as nice a condition as the pics indicate and there is some room to move on the price I may join the ranks of Bajaj owners soon.

It should be funny trying to figure out the clutch/shift for my test ride but I've driven plenty of manuals in my day so it shouldn't be TOO bad Smile
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Just another reference point. I bought my new one in June and paid 2500 for it. A good deal, but I'm sure he still came out ahead on the deal. I hope the seller is willing to negotiate some on his asking price. Seems high to me as well for a used scoot, but that buttah yellow color sure does look sweet.

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msimmons wrote:
Tom, Just be clear, the asking price is $2500, the seller says that $4k was paid originally for the scoot. The thought of me trying to build a scoot from a box of parts is my wife's worst nightmare. When she has says to me "you're not putting that in the living room", I listen... she gives me plenty of leeway and I know that a restore would take me FOREVER (if I ever figured it out). Unfortunately, I'm the kind of mechanic who ends up with extra parts left over... not good.

SC, I'm about 2 hours east of the scoot, near Valley Forge Park outside of Philly. And yeah... love that color... it's like buttahhhh! There's a young guy who works at Home Depot that has a red Bajaj that I see all the time on the road. If he posts here maybe he'll see this. If that's the case we'll have a Chetak Triumvirate...

I've had a few conversations with the seller and will be seeing the scoot up close very soon so I'll know a lot more shortly. If it's in as nice a condition as the pics indicate and there is some room to move on the price I may join the ranks of Bajaj owners soon.

It should be funny trying to figure out the clutch/shift for my test ride but I've driven plenty of manuals in my day so it shouldn't be TOO bad Smile



...oohhhh. my bad. i thought he was asking $4000.... at $2500, i'd jump on it!!!

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PDX Kyle



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It does seem a little high for a 2002, but if the low mileage is accurate, that mitigates the high price somewhat.

As far as him paying $4k for it new, that would be worth asking about verifying. (Does he have a sales receipt?) I only say this because that is VERY high, and if he's not being honest about that it should make you wonder what else he's not honest about.

Of course, this might be a lot of worry for nothing, as the scoot may be immaculate, and the current owner may have just paid too much. I would ask for any/all maintenance records.

I seem to remember a post somewhere addressing an issue with the 2002's--not a major engine type issue, but something that has since been rectified. I'd do a search of the forum and see if you can dig it up.

Good luck with it.

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msimmons



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Great suggestions... I'll ask to see what maintenance, upgrades have been done to the scoot. I don't plan on paying $2500 though (Kelly Blue Book is $1590), so don't worry! There were 2 other Chetaks I was considering but heard back that one is sold (the black '03 in NJ) and I have an email out to the other one but haven't heard back. Neither were as nice looking as this one judging by the pics (but they were much cheaper though). I don't mind getting a 'beater' but have a soft spot for 'sweeeet'... I'm sure I'll find something even if this doesn't pan out. There's also a cheap P200 nearby but it needs a bit of TLC... and it wouldn't be a BAJAJ!!

saluki10... that's why they call them Buisness Socks...
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Smile

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Low miles and two racks with storage. $2500 is reasonable. $2200 is better. That would be my price. See how motivated he is. You can buy a lot of bikes and cars for that matter with $2500.

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msimmons



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PDX Kyle wrote:
I seem to remember a post somewhere addressing an issue with the 2002's--not a major engine type issue, but something that has since been rectified. I'd do a search of the forum and see if you can dig it up.

Good luck with it.


this one?
http://retrobajaj.informe.com/viewtopic.php?t=666&highlight=2002
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I can't remember if that is it or not. Frankly, with my memory, I've probably got you concerned over nothing.

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Two official issues that I'm aware of:

Regulator/Rectifier issue (official comment):
http://www.bajajusa.com/Files/Charging%20Falures%20&%20Battery%20Maintenence.pdf

Shearing Flywheel Rivets (post on sister Bajaj site):
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/bajajscooter/message/16874

Make sure these have been done, and you'll likely be fine.

SC

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some 2002 issues that I have had.
Voltage rectifier,
Lighter duty drive spindle (Replace with heavier (2003) one under warranty)
Brittle wires in headset for headlight relay (both of mine have broken for high and low beam)(2002 specific?)
no hand holds for passenger.
Rear cowl protector was positioned differently and did not give my feet enough room to sit flat on the boards.

So even though Mello Yello is the coolest color Razz, if you can find a 2003 you may avoid a few headaches later on... it just won't be yellow.
Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:37 pm
msimmons



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hmmm... don't like the sound of these. This could be a deal killer if these things haven't been addressed. That P-200 with the bad clutch is suddenly looking better.

Knowledge is power! Thanks!!
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that bike is worth 1500-1700 and not a penny more.

2500 for an '02 is insanity.

I sold an '03 with 3500 miles on it for 1500 and didn't blink. It's a Chetak. It's supposed to be cheap.

I guarantee another will show up for cheaper and maybe closer.

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